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Microstar MS-6167 Ver.1 ATX Motherboard
Reviewed by CPU-ZILLA  (4 Nov 99)

Motherboard Specifications

Processor

  • AMD K7 Athlon Processors (500Mhz - 650MHz or higher)

Chipset

  • AMD-751 Irongate Chipset (Northbridge)
    • 200MHz EV6 System Interface speed
    • 100MHz SDRAM
    • 1x/2x AGP
  • AMD-756 Viper Chipset (Southbridge)

Cache memory

  • CPU Built-in 128KB L1 & 512KB L2 cache

System Memory

  • 3 x 168-pin 3.3v PC100 SDRAM DIMM support 
  • Supports 8/16/32/64/128/256 MB DIMM Module 
  • Supports 168-pin unbuffered PC100/PC133 SDRAM (Supports ECC, 1-bit Error Code Correct function) 
  • Supports up to 768MB of memory size

PCI IDE

  • 2 X PCI Bus Master UDMA/66 IDE ports (up to 4 ATAPI Devices)
  • Support for PIO Mode 0-4, UDMA/33, UDMA/66 IDE & ATAPI CD-ROM 

I/O Interface

  • 1x floppy port (360KB-2.88MB) 
  • 2x serial ports
  • 1x parallel port (SPP/EPP/ECP) 
  • PS/2 Keyboard 
  • PS/2 Mouse 
  • 4x USB
  • 1 IrDA connector for SIR

Expansion slot

  • 5 x PCI 32-bit slots, PCI 2.2 compliant (one PCI/ISA shared)
  • Supports 3.3V/5V PCI bus interface 
  • 2 x ISA 16-bit slots 
  • 1x AGP (1x & 2x Mode, 66/133MHz) slot (3.3v device support)

Power Management

  • Power On by Soft-Power Switch 
  • Power Off by Windows® 95/98 Shut down & Soft-Power Switch 
  • ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) feature

Form Factor

  • ATX Form Factor : 30.5cm(L) x 20.9cm(W)
  • Fits into regular ATX Case (8 mounting holes) 
  • ATX Connector on Board 

BIOS

  • 2 Mbit (256KB) FLASH memory
  • Award PCI BIOS with Green, PnP, DMI and Anti-Virus Functions 
  • LS120, ZIP, ATAPI CD-ROM, LAN, IDE #1, #2, #3, #4 bootable

<Introduction><The Good><The Test> <The Bad><Conclusion><Rating>

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Introduction

The MS-6167 is one of the first motherboard based on the AMD Irongate chipset for their latest 7th generation processor K7, which is codenamed Athlon. When Hardware Zone first got this board, we were very excited to put it to the test to see how well it fared against AMD's rival (need I spell out the name?). The first benchmarks we performed was on Microstar's engineering sample which was loaned to us. Needless to say, the build looked the same and its features were also similar. Nothing more and nothing less.

I checked the motherboard layout with that of the AMD's reference board and it did look extremely similar. If I am not wrong, the board was designed according to the AMD's reference design. Of course, I did not have the reference board from AMD, but from large close-ups of AMD's reference design (that you can find almost anywhere in the web), there is little doubt. Even the placement of the DIMM slots, ATX power connector are the same. No wonder Microstar could roll out the board in such a short time.

Opening the attractively packaged motherboard, you are at once greeted with the the manual, the guarantee card, a CD-ROM containing the drivers, a packet containing FDD/HDD cables, an 80-conductor UDMA/66 cable, heatsink retention clips, a Microstar sticker (for those sticker freaks) and the motherboard itself. I would have hyper-ventilated if I were to repeat that without stopping as I am no Ace Ventura. Besides, I don't speak with my buttocks (just kidding folks!).

Anyway, there's also a piece of notice in the box which contains a list of recommended power supplies for the motherboard. I guess the board is pretty fussy with poorly made power supply units, and a good regulated unit is required and definitely a must, if you want your system to function well, and problem free. In the list, it also mentioned some of the tested and approved AGP cards, but as we all know by now, the board works fine with almost all of the popular graphic cards available in the market. Let's face it, no sane nut will use an outdated Cirrus Logic 4MB AGP card on their state of the art Athlon system. Anyway, here's a list of power supplies recommended by the folks at Microstar.

  • Turbo-Cool 300ATX
  • American Media CWT-300ATX
  • Emacs AP2-5300F-RV2
  • Astec SA302-3515-980
  • Enlight HPC-250G2, A0-01
  • Sparkle FSP250-61GN
  • Enhance ATX-1125B
  • FSF Group Inc FSP 250-61GN
  • DELTA ELECT INC 200PB-103A
  • POWERMAN FSP300-60GT

Anyway, I suppose most of you should not be alarmed if you don't have the right power supply. A good thing to note is that the power supply I used in the test was not in the list at all. In fact, it was one of those power supplies which I ripped out from my old 1.5 year old ATX casing. I guess you should make sure the power supply comes with some of those certifications like TUV and CE.

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The Good

I guess the most attractive part about this motherboard lies in its simplicity. There are very little jumpers or BIOS settings that you need to change on the motherboard to get your Athlon up and running. There are no voltage settings, multiplier settings, and no FSB settings too. Just plug and play. Of course, most tweakers would not like the lack of control. However, if you do not already know, overclocking an Athlon processor isn't that simple, considering the multiplier settings are locked on the CPU board. You will need to open the CPU case (warranty will be void) and do some resoldering to change to the desired multiplier. Such modifications are rather tricky and risky, if you ask me. I doubt many will take the risk. But, I'm sure someone will come out with an ingenious way of overclocking the Athlon.

The Southbridge chipset, which is codenamed Viper, can support UDMA/66 IDE devices. This is really a plus for those who already have UDMA/66 hard disk drives, or are planning to purchase one. Although there are not much improvement in the hard disk performance as compared to UDMA/33, it is still comforting to know that your motherboard is prepared for fast UDMA/66 transfers, when the right hard drives come along.

Some users have wondered what kind of RAM should a 200MHz FSB system should use. Well, the 200MHz EV6 bus does not apply to the RAM. The chipset still communicates with the SDRAM at 100MHz. This allows you to re-use your old PC-100 SDRAM. Good for those unwilling to spend the extra buck on RAMs since the price has skyrocketed lately.

The board also comes with 4 USB ports, something that most motherboards do no have, as of now. There's a 10-pin header located near the front panel for 2 additional USB ports. This is really convenient for people using portable USB devices. I think locating your USB ports on the front (or side) panel of your system is a good idea. How many of you actually dread reaching the back of your PC to plug your USB connector? As my system is located under the table, reaching below to plug in any USB device can sometimes be a back-aching experience. However, we still need casings that has built-in USB ports on the front panel, something that we only see in other well-branded PCs.

Besides that, the board generously comes with 3 fan headers. Since the Athlon is known to be very hot, I think that it is handy to have 3 fan connectors. You may never know when you'll need all of them. In addition, it is neat to plug directly on the motherboard as you do not need extra cabling to convert your power supply's power connectors to fit your fan. Additional cablings make your system look messy, and can sometimes be a potential air flow barrier.

Running the system through all kinds of test, I must say that this is one of the most stable motherboards I have ever encountered. I did not run into any GPF errors or any blue screen of death. There were no errors, and I am very very impressed indeed. I expected some problems in Windows NT, and again, none whatsoever. I churned RC5 blocks with the system for a few days, non-stop. Again, it was perfect. Don't you just love it?

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The Test

In the tests, I compared a K7-500 with the P!!!-500, with both running on Microstar motherboards. The P!!! ran on the MS-6163Pro, while the K7 was benchmarked on the MS-6167. The same RAM, hard drive and video card was used, unless otherwise stated. Of course, I couldn't make use of the same drivers and motherboards, otherwise, it wouldn't make the K7 that special after all. So, don't go around accusing me of being biased. We should look at the benchmarks based on the motherboards and processors (system as a whole), and not just one component alone. Also, to make things a little fair, I used the Promise Ultra66 IDE controller to enable UDMA/66 on the hard disk as it really matters in benchmarks like Winstone99 and Disk Benchmarks.

Test Configuration

Processor(s): AMD K7-500
AMD K7-650
Intel Pentium !!!-500
Intel Pentium !!!-600 (100MHz FSB)
RAM: 1 x 128MB Mitsubishi PC100 SDRAM DIMM
Hard Drive(s): IBM Deskstar 22GXP DJNA-371350
Video Card(s): 3dfx Voodoo3 2000 16MB
Microstar NVidia TNT2-M64 32MB (MS8808)
Bus Master Drivers: AMD Bus Master Drivers 1.12
Promise Technology Ultra66 1.43
Video Drivers: 3dfx Voodoo3 drivers 1.02.13 (Win98)
3dfx Voodoo3 drivers 1.02.11 (WinNT)
NVidia Reference Detonator Drivers 2.08 (Win98/NT)
DirectX version: v.6.1a (Win98), v.3 (NT 4.0)
Operating System(s): Windows 98 Second Edition (build 4.10.2222A)
Windows NT 4.0 Workstation (Service Pack 5)

Ziff-Davis Winbench 99 and Winstone 99 v1.1 Results (Windows 98)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500 P!!!-600 P!!!-600B K7-500 K7-650
CPU mark 99 38.4 44.3 46.4 47.7 59.7
FPU Winmark 2550 3040 3070 2710 3530
Business Winstone 99 24.5 26.6 26.8 24.5 27.5

It is very evident that the K7 is far more superior than the Pentium !!!. No wonder Intel is panicking. The K7-500 CPUmark99 scores were surprisingly faster than the P!!!-600 (currently the fastest Intel CPU around). Even the 133MHz FSB version (as denoted with a B) was slower than the K7-500 in the CPUmark99 tests. Unfortunately, the FPU Winmark was not faster than the P!!!-600, but if you compare MHz to MHz, the K7 beats the P!!! flat. I've placed the K7-650 results there as a reference and it should not be compared to the rest (don't call me bias again.. hahaha). I guess most of you must be wondering how fast the 650MHz version is, so here it is. Also note that the 600B CPU was benchmarked on the 6163Pro which was not designed for 133MHz operation. Results may vary when it is benchmarked on the soon to be released i820 (a.k.a. Camino) motherboard. Comparing the Winstone 99 results, you can see very little difference between the K7 and P!!! even though the K7 was faster. This may be due to the poor disk performance, as discussed in the next benchmark.

Disk Performance Benchmarks (Windows 98)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500 P!!!-600 K7-500 K7-650
ZD Business Disk Winmark 4650 3840 4330 4030
ZD High-End Disk Winmark 14400 13200 10400 12700
Threadmark 2.0
(Data Transfer Rate MB/s)
8.48 8.45 8.21 -
Threadmark 2.0
(Average CPU Utilisation)
32.51% 27.76% 31.69% -

If you compare the P!!!-500 and K7-500, it shows that the MS6167 disk performance is weaker than the Promise Ultra66 IDE controller running on the MS6163Pro. This basically explains why the Winstone99 results were on par. The disk performance pulled the score lower, making the K7 results in Winstone on par with the P!!!. This shows the weakness in AMD's Southbridge (Viper) chipset. Hopefully it will be better with motherboards incorporating VIA's southbridge chipset. Comparing the disk performance of faster CPUs, it is awkward to see poorer performance with the P!!!-600 and K7-650. I have absolutely no idea why it behaved that way, but I suppose we should just take the results with a tiny weeny pinch of salt. I did not run any disk performance tests with the MS6163Pro on board IDE controller since it is only UDMA/33. It wouldn't be fair, isn't it?

Wintune 98 1.0.39 Benchmarks (Windows 98)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500 P!!!-600 K7-500 K7-650
CPU Integer 1464.2 1758.9 1514.4 1970.0
CPU Floating Point 575.0 690.7 618.2 800.2
Video 2D 99.6 140.1 157.8 170.7
Direct 3D 94.3 169.1 168.4 168.6
Open GL 76.8 80.71 80.4 84.4
Memory 840.2 991.0 1272.7 1601.3

The Wintune 98 benchmark seems to paint a different picture. Although the K7 is still significantly faster in all the tests, the K7-500 did not beat the P!!!-600 in the CPU Integer scores. However, all the video tests ran faster on the K7. The memory benchmark was stunningly fast on the K7. Overall, the K7 is still much more superior than the P!!!. Two different benchmarks don't lie. So, how about Windows NT?

Ziff-Davis Winbench 99 and Winstone 99 v1.1 Results (Windows NT)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500* P!!!-600 K7-500* K7-650
CPU mark 99 38.7 44.5 48.3 61.1
FPU Winmark 2560 3050 2740 3560
Business Winstone 99 31.9 35.5 32.6 37.6

Disk Performance Benchmarks (Windows NT)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500* P!!!-600 K7-500* K7-650
ZD Business Disk Winmark 3460 4280 4610 4030
ZD High-End Disk Winmark 9770 9910 10300 12700
Threadmark 2.0
(Data Transfer Rate MB/s)
9.6 9.53 9.62 -
Threadmark 2.0
(Average CPU Utilisation)
13.46% 8.02% 29.05% -

Wintune 98 1.0.39 Benchmarks (Windows NT)

Benchmark MS-6163Pro MS-6167
P!!!-500* P!!!-600 K7-500* K7-650
CPU Integer 1467.9 1763.0 1522.1 1981.6
CPU Floating Point 581.9 698.6 624.9 812.8
Video 2D 113.7 163.5 65.8 129.2
Direct 3D 77.2 86.3 37.3 43.4
Open GL 72.9 51.4 75.6 52.6
Memory 872.6 1067.684 1339.5 1708.9
* MS-8808 (TNT2-M64) was used instead of V3-2000.


The results in Windows NT showed similar trends. However, the disk performance was better in Windows NT as compared to Windows 98. Well, at least the Winstone 99 results made a lot more sense in the Windows NT benchmarks.

Shall we look at the graphics performance?

Quake III Test 1.08


q3demo1


q3demo2

The performance in Quake III Arena is pretty much the same. This is probably due to the graphic card used in the benchmarks. It has probably reached the stage where CPU performance have no affect on its performance. However, at 640x480, the K7-500 is slightly faster than the P!!!-500, and it is on par with the P!!!-600.

Resolutions
3D Mark overall scores
Fill Rate performance
(MTexels/s)
640x480


 


 
800x600


 


 
1024x768


 


 

In the 3D Mark scores, the K7-500 scored higher than the P!!!-500. In certain tests, the K7-500 was also faster than the P!!!-600. This shows the K7's superiority over the Pentium !!!. It is a waste that the chipset only supported AGP 2x transfers, otherwise it would have been great to run some benchmarks using some of the latest graphic cards like GeForce256, or even the Matrox G400Max. Anyway, I did not get the chance to run graphic benchmarks using other video cards to get a better picture of the motherboard. However, isolated tests revealed certain jerkiness during the demo and Game 2 benchmark. It looked as though frames were dropped. I suppose the AGP implementation is still a little buggy. I'm not sure if this jerkiness has to do with the motherboard or chipset, but I tend to believe that it is the latter's fault. Still, I hope the next generation of chipset for the Athlon would be better, and would include AGP 4x transfers.

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The Bad

The biggest letdown was the AGP performance. Somehow, the 3D Mark 99 tests revealed jerky graphics as it was running the Game 2 benchmark. There's nothing else I can blame except for the poor AGP implementation by the AMD chipset. Somehow, graphics were smoother on the BX motherboard. This also explains why the MS-6167 graphic performance was almost on par with the Intel Pentium III-500. Part of the reason is also due to the lack of Enhanced 3DNow! support in 3D Mark 99. Until I test another motherboard based on the AMD chipset, I cannot be certain if the 3D jerkiness was due to the chipset or motherboard. Still, I hope the next generation of chipset will be much more optimised, and would also include support for AGP 4x.

Hot, is the next word I'm going to talk about. No, it is not sexy hot, but "hot like hell" hot. Ok, ok, maybe it is a little bit exaggerated, but there are several heat centers that will also contribute to your overall system temperature. The Irongate chipset is really hot, especially if you run it for prolonged periods. However, I did not run into any trouble with it yet, but it is important that you take note of that. In addition, the row of power transistors located behind the CPU is also another source of heat that will surely contribute to the overall system temperature. There are a total of 8 transistors located behind the CPU, and each is probably about 40-45 degrees Celcius.

The CPU is the hottest item in the system, and if you don't have a good heatsink and fan combo, you could land yourself in some serious stability issues. What's more, the space for your CPU, heatsink and fan is pretty limited, and will be pretty difficult to squeeze a big heatsink and fan into that space as the ATX power connector will be obstructing. You should leave a comfortable gap between the power cables and the fan so as not to cause any obstruction to air flow. Moreover, the large capacitor near the ATX connector is another obstruction. I had to shave some plastic off my fan in order to fit the CPU. Well, serve me right for using such a huge fan, but can you blame me for taking the extra precautions?

  
Don't you just love those gigantic fans?

I find the lack of hardware monitoring on this motherboard a bit annoying. Since most users would be really concerned about their investment, I believe everyone is dying to keep track of their system temperature for fear of overheating. I'm surprised why Microstar did not include any form of hardware monitoring. After all, they are the ones that came out with the nifty thermal probe in the 6163, and the 6163 Pro. Perhaps, MS-6167Pro is in the works?

As I've said in the previous section, users would find the lack of overclocking functions undesirable. However, overclocking the Athlon is not as simple because the multiplier is locked on the CPU board itself. Overclocking by altering the FSB is one easy method, but I really doubt you can go far, since all other components (e.g. AGP, PCI, chipset, RAM) are overclocked, and thus, rendering your system unstable. I still liked the idea of changing the multipliers and voltage on the CPU board, but that would require soldering.

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Conclusion

Overall, the MS-6167 is one of the most stable boards I've ever tested. Its performance is pretty good considering how infant the Athlon and its chipsets were. The board is great for normal use, especially when you're running Windows NT. However, I don't think it is that suitable as a gaming machine since it does not have AGP 4x and its 3D performance is a little jerky. Moreover, the disk performance in Windows 98 is also quite disappointing. Tweakers won't welcome the lack of overclocking features, as well as the absence of hardware monitoring features. However, if you're looking for a no-frills Athlon motherboard, this is something you could consider.

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MOTHERBOARD RATING

Overall Rating (Out of a maximum of 5 Star)

Installation *****
Performance *****
Price ***½
Overclockability N.A.
Material Quality ****
Stability *****
Overall Rating ****

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